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53 minutes ago, JB_ said:

What is everyone's thoughts on Halo: Infinite releasing on Base xbox one?

 

Personally...

 

  • Halo 5 barely ran on xbox one without Dynamic resolution. 60fps sure, but with the resolution dropping everywhere.
  • They cut split screen because good luck playing forge maps on splitscreen and trying to maintain 60fps. We saw how that worked in Halo 4 (same engine) no shit they cut splitscreen. Now they somehow expect to bring it back for infinite.  (prob series x and PC exclusive) HILARIOUS. Queue Phil spensers horrible PR response of "gamers don't sit on couches together anymore, they do it online"
  • I personally could be wrong about this one but I feel like Xbox one held back cyberpunk in some geometry areas. A while back I posted the photo of the highway onramp and it was like 5 polygons.... Yeah. That's what I mean. Now either the modeler just didn't make modular enough assets for the level designers or, they just didn't have the POLYGON budget to warrant all the extra polygons that curves require. I DON'T KNOW, just speculating. Polygons aren't free and 343 keeps upping them.
  • The only reason I understand releasing on the current gen is the pure amount of Base xbox one's out in the wild vs series X. They stand to make more money, but it will probably cost them their rating in the end.
  • Hope I'm wrong there are beautiful games out like RDR2 which does just fine across all gens. Metro Exodus is another one. 
  • Maybe they go some other route and ONLY allow it on xbox one X... Gives them a bit more headroom to work with since it's way more powerful

 

You cannot be all things to all people. They would do best to release classic multiplayer and dev-picked forge maps as DLC for all platforms, if at all possible. Maybe the battle royale, too, if they can squeeze that in. Last/current-gen consoles cannot possibly run the game as described in a playable fashion unless they have a completely separate 'last-gen localisation team' working overtime to make low-poly and lower-def assets for every single object in the game.

 

Why even bother hyping it, or lining up to gawk at the inevitable failure? 

 

I was reading David Mamet's book on movies (2007) the other day and he gives a good description of franchise films s a symptom of the contraction of the once-growing film industry. It reads essentially the same as what one would expect from the videogame industry from 2010 and onwards. I also note that in a separate section of the book he describes video games not as games, but as 'bio-feedback machines' that rise only to the same level as drugs or pornography. Another topic, to be sure, but perhaps worth a grain of salt or two.

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11 minutes ago, icyhotspartin said:

 

You cannot be all things to all people. They would do best to release classic multiplayer and dev-picked forge maps as DLC for all platforms, if at all possible. Maybe the battle royale, too, if they can squeeze that in. Last/current-gen consoles cannot possibly run the game as described in a playable fashion unless they have a completely separate 'last-gen localisation team' working overtime to make low-poly and lower-def assets for every single object in the game.

 

Why even bother hyping it, or lining up to gawk at the inevitable failure? 

 

I was reading David Mamet's book on movies (2007) the other day and he gives a good description of franchise films s a symptom of the contraction of the once-growing film industry. It reads essentially the same as what one would expect from the videogame industry from 2010 and onwards. I also note that in a separate section of the book he describes video games not as games, but as 'bio-feedback machines' that are rise only to the same level as drugs or pornography. Another topic, to be sure, but perhaps worth a grain of salt or two.

I agree with that last part to an extent, obviously games can be bio-feedback machines and nothing more, but so can anything else. You can treat other people as tinder just sex objects, or actually try for a real relationship. All depends on your goals when dating, and likewise, your goals when making a game.

 

So many of us report that our first, second, and even third tries of games like Dark Souls left us wanting more and the game didn't seem appealing until we forced it. Could be the reason is how call-of-dutyized we are when it comes to what we're used to. After all, Call of Duty 19 Black Ops 4 Cold War isn't much more than cookie clicker with gun models.... Like those weirdos on youtube who only eat macaroni and gag at the thought of any other food, we are prisoners in a warped mind as a result of never being presented with better food and being coddled by lazy parents (bad devs) when we insisted as children on macaroni and nothing else.

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8 minutes ago, Westin said:

I agree with that last part to an extent, obviously games can be bio-feedback machines and nothing more, but so can anything else. You can treat other people as tinder just sex objects, or actually try for a real relationship. All depends on your goals when dating, and likewise, your goals when making a game.

 

So many of us report that our first, second, and even third tries of games like Dark Souls left us wanting more and the game didn't seem appealing until we forced it. Could be the reason is how call-of-dutyized we are when it comes to what we're used to. After all, Call of Duty 19 Black Ops 4 Cold War isn't much more than cookie clicker with gun models.... Like those weirdos on youtube who only eat macaroni and gag at the thought of any other food, we are prisoners in a warped mind as a result of never being presented with better food and being coddled by lazy parents (bad devs) when we insisted as children on macaroni and nothing else.

 

I'm certain that CoD and other spaz-shooters fit his description a lot more than a long-form game with an engaging and fulfilling story. He mentions them only in passing while discussing the structure of dramatic tension and audience engagement.

 

But I'll tell you what, now that I reflect on all the games I've played, even most of those games with engaging and fulfilling stories use the same kind of bio-feedback mechanism that he paints the industry with, which is the momentary "WHOA!" of having gotten a jingle-jangle of grabbing a coin or defeating an enemy. The more 'responsive' that mechanism is, the easier it is to jump back in and get the feeling of accomplishment. We know how destructive this is in multiplayer games. Consider the loop hitmarker and the 'press X to respawn' - but consider also the loop of 'level clear' and 'retry?' that one finds in any single player video game. Is that not the same loop, just at a larger scale?

 

Balance that story out with the burning feeling one gets when yanked out of a task/action by a mistake, a glitch, a lost life, the return to a savepoint or spawnpoint, and it is very difficult to disagree with his description. The more of those you have, the more abused, angry, raw - but also driven - one might feel... that's the addictive element, the 30 seconds of fun. It's a pachinko parlor.

 

There's no doubt that video games are an emergent medium for storytelling. There's no doubt that the more mature the themes and the more integrated the elements the more powerful that experience will be, because the player essentially 'lives' that story. But they necessitate the use of a machine: carrot and stick, failure or success on the part of the player to advance that plot.

 

There's no possible failure on the part of the audience when watching a movie, nor in reading a book (choose-your-own-adventure novels notwithstanding, as these are more akin to text-based games). The narrative has a carrot and stick, yes, called suspense - but there is no input on the part of the audience that can interrupt it, frustrate it, delay it, corrupt it, or turn it into an intravenous substance. I refer you to the phenomenon of binge-watching, as it relates to short-form serialised TV dramas, and ask you to contrast that with the watching of, say, Dr. Zhivago, Fany and Alexander, or Gone with the Wind.

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13 hours ago, Soldat Du Christ said:

I was studying with Jehovah's whiteness these past few months, here is what I learned if you guys are interested

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/kqfuok/i_studied_with_jehovahs_witnesses_for_3_months/

Interesting read, thanks for sharing man. Glad the divinity of Jesus is what alerted you. I've personally studied the church of Rome and their teachings as a result of being interested in the reformation, and while catholics hold to the divinity of Jesus, they still fundamentally attack His person by declaring that His atonement was not enough to be saved, and that by works we are justified. Not to mention the papacy, the ascension of Mary, the sacramental traditions, and other doctrines which exalt men.

 

Doctrine can be incredibly simple, or incredibly complex, and the true dividing line is between submission and pride. Either you read the word to live the word, or you wield it for another purpose. That's it. The refomation was built on Sola Scriptura, the belief that scripture alone is sufficient, and the men like William Tyndale who were martyred for opposing the papacy had one major goal, that everyone would have access to the scriptures, a luxury at that time restricted by the church to only those they deemed worthy. This is a common practice among heretics, and likely stems from the same reason why the curriculum you participated in under the watchtower is so scripted, rigorous, and consistent. The worst enemy of the false prophet is any-ole everyday Christian who actually knows his or her Bible, so they either prevent it by force, or indocrinate until the perspicuity of scripture can no longer ring true in your mind.

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2 hours ago, Westin said:

Interesting read, thanks for sharing man. Glad the divinity of Jesus is what alerted you. I've personally studied the church of Rome and their teachings as a result of being interested in the reformation, and while catholics hold to the divinity of Jesus, they still fundamentally attack His person by declaring that His atonement was not enough to be saved, and that by works we are justified. Not to mention the papacy, the ascension of Mary, the sacramental traditions, and other doctrines which exalt men.

 

Doctrine can be incredibly simple, or incredibly complex, and the true dividing line is between submission and pride. Either you read the word to live the word, or you wield it for another purpose. That's it. The refomation was built on Sola Scriptura, the belief that scripture alone is sufficient, and the men like William Tyndale who were martyred for opposing the papacy had one major goal, that everyone would have access to the scriptures, a luxury at that time restricted by the church to only those they deemed worthy. This is a common practice among heretics, and likely stems from the same reason why the curriculum you participated in under the watchtower is so scripted, rigorous, and consistent. The worst enemy of the false prophet is any-ole everyday Christian who actually knows his or her Bible, so they either prevent it by force, or indocrinate until the perspicuity of scripture can no longer ring true in your mind.

It was very interesting to me observing how similar the JWs and the black hebrew isrealites are, they are both groups that use inconsistent bible teachings to make promises that feed into some other desire we have as flawed humans. I think JW really apeals to people with egos who want a feeling of being among the biblical elite, with their works and clean presentation and convincing scripts, but as soo as you poke it with a stick it aaaall just comes falling down, they have no idea how to argue off script

 

The black Hebrew Israelites are a really interesting group, they convince young people in the black community that the white man has lied to them and that Jesus is black, and that blacks (and every other minority class except whites) are gods chose people. All their doctrine is very obviously crafted to be an answer to the problems in the black community reassuring them its the white mans fault and that God will come back to destroy the white devil and free them from slavery. They are very interesting i recommend looking them up on youtube

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8 minutes ago, Soldat Du Christ said:

It was very interesting to me observing how similar the JWs and the black hebrew isrealites are, they are both groups that use inconsistent bible teachings to make promises that feed into some other desire we have as flawed humans. I think JW really apeals to people with egos who want a feeling of being among the biblical elite, with their works and clean presentation and convincing scripts, but as soo as you poke it with a stick it aaaall just comes falling down, they have no idea how to argue off script

 

The black Hebrew Israelites are a really interesting group, they convince young people in the black community that the white man has lied to them and that Jesus is black, and that blacks (and every other minority class except whites) are gods chose people. All their doctrine is very obviously crafted to be an answer to the problems in the black community reassuring them its the white mans fault and that God will come back to destroy the white devil and free them from slavery. They are very interesting i recommend looking them up on youtube

Wow, now that's one I've never heard of. Ephesians 2 alone should be enough to disprove that nonsense. And yes, most religions feed into carnal desires. During the time of the reformation, if you gave information about protestant "heretics" or even if you just brought some wood from your house to public executions, the papacy would give you a free pass to sin for a certain amount of time, like a week. A lot of this is sexually driven, like 72 virgins or a state of eternal sex in mormonism

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37 minutes ago, Westin said:

Wow, now that's one I've never heard of. Ephesians 2 alone should be enough to disprove that nonsense. And yes, most religions feed into carnal desires. During the time of the reformation, if you gave information about protestant "heretics" or even if you just brought some wood from your house to public executions, the papacy would give you a free pass to sin for a certain amount of time, like a week. A lot of this is sexually driven, like 72 virgins or a state of eternal sex in mormonism

Whats interesting is that kind of Catholic rule was the only think keeping people from branching off and forming cults, and now that we've had freedom for so long now, there's so many so called bible based groups, each of them thinking rhe bible on their side, all of them using the same rhetorics for one another

"now if you read it in context you'll get the truth!" 

"The bible said there would be a great falling away!"

"Be not divided amongst yourselfs!"

 

All groups use these, even the non cults, it's just annoying.

 

But still, i think it's better this way, that we are all divided, not because God doesn't value order and unity, but because that unity has to be under God and not men, having this mess of different denominations and cults is a small price to pay to allow everyone the opportunity to seek God whole heartedly. Personally i will never identify with labels or belong to a denomination, but i will continue to learn from all of them because it helps sharpen me.

 

I think some people prefer to be led by an orginization and told what to believe because it makes the fellowshiping easy and predictable, these structures are desirable to people who less concerned about truth and more so looking for belonging, or a sense of being in the right.

 

God keeping us from become controlled by destroying one world rule is a good thing, and a recurring pattern in the bible. And look at how God preserved the New testament documents... not by giving the one true scripture to one orginisation, but by having multiple copys spread out across the land so we can cross reference! That way no one can change it, and if they did everyone will know! Its more messy that way but perfect for protecting the people from mistranslations

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21 minutes ago, Soldat Du Christ said:

Whats interesting is that kind of Catholic rule was the only think keeping people from branching off and forming cults, and now that we've had freedom for so long now, there's so many so called bible based groups, each of them thinking rhe bible on their side, all of them using the same rhetorics for one another

"now if you read it in context you'll get the truth!" 

"The bible said there would be a great falling away!"

"Be not divided amongst yourselfs!"

 

All groups use these, even the non cults, it's just annoying.

 

But still, i think it's better this way, that we are all divided, not because God doesn't value order and unity, but because that unity has to be under God and not men, having this mess of different denominations and cults is a small price to pay to allow everyone the opportunity to seek God whole heartedly. Personally i will never identify with labels or belong to a denomination, but i will continue to learn from all of them because it helps sharpen me.

 

I think some people prefer to be led by an orginization and told what to believe because it makes the fellowshiping easy and predictable, these structures are desirable to people who less concerned about truth and more so looking for belonging, or a sense of being in the right.

 

God keeping us from become controlled by destroying one world rule is a good thing, and a recurring pattern in the bible. And look at how God preserved the New testament documents... not by giving the one true scripture to one orginisation, but by having multiple copys spread out across the land so we can cross reference! That way no one can change it, and if they did everyone will know! Its more messy that way but perfect for protecting the people from mistranslations

What's most important than any of that is being a member of a local body. I disagree with a lot of my churches doctrinal statement but I don't think it matters as long as it's a true church and isn't heretical, which means a group of believers who conduct worship and fellowship according to the word, which includes the sacraments and church discipline. I would say just be careful, taking a stand against denominationalism may seem good but if it keeps you out of a church it's making the enemy very happy because we were commanded to meet and contribute according to our spiritual gifts. If we confess the lordship of Jesus then we should participate in his body.

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31 minutes ago, Westin said:

What's most important than any of that is being a member of a local body. I disagree with a lot of my churches doctrinal statement but I don't think it matters as long as it's a true church and isn't heretical, which means a group of believers who conduct worship and fellowship according to the word, which includes the sacraments and church discipline. I would say just be careful, taking a stand against denominationalism may seem good but if it keeps you out of a church it's making the enemy very happy because we were commanded to meet and contribute according to our spiritual gifts. If we confess the lordship of Jesus then we should participate in his body.

very true, i will start looking for a local church

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